CS:S STREIKT !!!

[[Martin H]]

hat sich erledigt

[pupswindel]

ist das der komplette quellcode zum spiel

[reason]

CS:S STREIKT !!!

Wenn ich CS:S starten will kommt "hl2.exe hat Fehler verursacht und muss beendet werden" Was kann ich tun ? Hab euch mal den text kopiert aus der fehlerdatei:

Temp\WERD.tmp.dir00\appcompat.txt

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-16"?>
<DATABASE>
<EXE NAME="hl2.exe" FILTER="GRABMI_FILTER_PRIVACY">
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="hl2.exe" SIZE="106496" CHECKSUM="0xEC4F6148" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="04/19/2006 04:57:24" UPTO_LINK_DATE="04/19/2006 04:57:24" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\AdminServer.dll" SIZE="839680" CHECKSUM="0xF6BACE7F" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:53:14" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:53:14" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\bsppack.dll" SIZE="397312" CHECKSUM="0x1047FA2" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:31:00" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:31:00" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\bugreporter.dll" SIZE="180224" CHECKSUM="0xFBC7F182" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:32:19" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:32:19" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\bugreporter_public.dll" SIZE="163840" CHECKSUM="0x3F16E7BD" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:53:30" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:53:30" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\datacache.dll" SIZE="139264" CHECKSUM="0x50A057E9" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:30:17" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:30:17" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\datamodel.dll" SIZE="974848" CHECKSUM="0x4411B397" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:50:29" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:50:29" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\dmserializers.dll" SIZE="200704" CHECKSUM="0x42B0AB80" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:20:31" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:20:31" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\engine.dll" SIZE="4132864" CHECKSUM="0x363C04DB" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="06/06/2006 21:05:19" UPTO_LINK_DATE="06/06/2006 21:05:19" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\FileSystem_Steam.dll" SIZE="299008" CHECKSUM="0x86DC27B5" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:30:53" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:30:53" />
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<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\GameUI.dll" SIZE="1835008" CHECKSUM="0xA037F9BE" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:21:56" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:21:56" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\inputsystem.dll" SIZE="69632" CHECKSUM="0x624BEB4F" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:02:50" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:02:50" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\launcher.dll" SIZE="180224" CHECKSUM="0x277098E4" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:28:13" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:28:13" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\MaterialSystem.dll" SIZE="577536" CHECKSUM="0x7E3B5001" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:26:28" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:26:28" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\Mss32.dll" SIZE="372736" CHECKSUM="0x18C9585F" BIN_FILE_VERSION="3.0.0.0" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="3.0.0.0" PRODUCT_VERSION="6.6a" FILE_DESCRIPTION="Miles Sound System" COMPANY_NAME="RAD Game Tools, Inc." PRODUCT_NAME="Miles Sound System" FILE_VERSION="6.6a" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT="Copyright (C) 1991-2004, RAD Game Tools, Inc." VERFILEDATEHI="0x0" VERFILEDATELO="0x0" VERFILEOS="0x0" VERFILETYPE="0x1" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION="3.0.0.0" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="3.0.0.0" LINK_DATE="04/02/2004 04:22:59" UPTO_LINK_DATE="04/02/2004 04:22:59" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\parsifal.dll" SIZE="94208" CHECKSUM="0x34FD86C7" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:48:21" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:48:21" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\scenefilecache.dll" SIZE="102400" CHECKSUM="0x137CD284" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/24/2006 21:20:25" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/24/2006 21:20:25" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\ServerBrowser.dll" SIZE="1110016" CHECKSUM="0x450EDB61" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:04:53" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:04:53" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\shaderapidx9.dll" SIZE="606208" CHECKSUM="0x91EAFDD6" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:39" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:39" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\shaderapiempty.dll" SIZE="106496" CHECKSUM="0x10B00CEE" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:30" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:30" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\SoundEmitterSystem.dll" SIZE="200704" CHECKSUM="0xAED619E4" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:22:20" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:22:20" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\stdshader_dbg.dll" SIZE="126976" CHECKSUM="0x375D2294" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:57" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:57" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\stdshader_dx6.dll" SIZE="172032" CHECKSUM="0xCF1E1E" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:25:01" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:25:01" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\stdshader_dx7.dll" SIZE="122880" CHECKSUM="0xDA8B681C" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:25:03" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:25:03" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\stdshader_dx8.dll" SIZE="229376" CHECKSUM="0xF60D28A4" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:55" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:55" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\stdshader_dx9.dll" SIZE="258048" CHECKSUM="0xD951901F" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:29" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:24:29" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\steamclient.dll" SIZE="839680" CHECKSUM="0xB6A576BF" BIN_FILE_VERSION="3.0.0.1" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="3.0.0.1" PRODUCT_VERSION="3, 0, 0, 1" FILE_DESCRIPTION="Steamclient.dll" COMPANY_NAME="Valve Corporation" PRODUCT_NAME="Steam" FILE_VERSION="3, 0, 0, 1" ORIGINAL_FILENAME="Steamclient.dll" INTERNAL_NAME="Steamclient.dll" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT="Copyright (C) 2005 Valve Corporation" VERFILEDATEHI="0x0" VERFILEDATELO="0x0" VERFILEOS="0x4" VERFILETYPE="0x2" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION="3.0.0.1" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="3.0.0.1" LINK_DATE="03/02/2006 21:36:44" UPTO_LINK_DATE="03/02/2006 21:36:44" VER_LANGUAGE="Englisch (USA) [0x409]" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\steam_api.dll" SIZE="61440" CHECKSUM="0x6595BEA9" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="03/02/2006 21:34:50" UPTO_LINK_DATE="03/02/2006 21:34:50" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\StudioRender.dll" SIZE="409600" CHECKSUM="0x5DE2E378" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:25:37" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:25:37" />
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<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\TrackerNET.dll" SIZE="147456" CHECKSUM="0x3B092717" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="09/08/2005 06:18:34" UPTO_LINK_DATE="09/08/2005 06:18:34" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\TrackerUI.dll" SIZE="843776" CHECKSUM="0xA4D75CCD" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="09/08/2005 06:20:59" UPTO_LINK_DATE="09/08/2005 06:20:59" />
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<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\unicows.dll" SIZE="245408" CHECKSUM="0x643AB719" BIN_FILE_VERSION="1.0.4018.0" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="1.0.4018.0" PRODUCT_VERSION="1.0.4018.0" FILE_DESCRIPTION="Microsoft Layer for Unicode on Win9x Systems (MSLU)" COMPANY_NAME="Microsoft Corporation" PRODUCT_NAME="Microsoft (R) Windows (R) 95, Windows (R) 98, and Windows (R) Millennium Operating Systems" FILE_VERSION="1.0.4018.0" ORIGINAL_FILENAME="UnicoWS.dll" INTERNAL_NAME="Godot.dll" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT="© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved." VERFILEDATEHI="0x0" VERFILEDATELO="0x0" VERFILEOS="0x40004" VERFILETYPE="0x1" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x47F53" LINKER_VERSION="0x60000" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION="1.0.4018.0" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="1.0.4018.0" LINK_DATE="04/21/2003 18:53:20" UPTO_LINK_DATE="04/21/2003 18:53:20" VER_LANGUAGE="Sprachneutral [0x0]" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\unitlib.dll" SIZE="37888" CHECKSUM="0x72889F04" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:47:41" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:47:41" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\valve_avi.dll" SIZE="77824" CHECKSUM="0x66E91C32" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:54:55" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:54:55" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\vaudio_miles.dll" SIZE="57344" CHECKSUM="0x4AB56413" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:22:18" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:22:18" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\vgui2.dll" SIZE="454656" CHECKSUM="0x9E7E279B" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:26:03" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:26:03" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\vguimatsurface.dll" SIZE="778240" CHECKSUM="0xC2C4C5EB" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 21:58:43" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 21:58:43" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\vphysics.dll" SIZE="1187840" CHECKSUM="0x1018AA03" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:25:16" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:25:16" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\vstdlib.dll" SIZE="118784" CHECKSUM="0x747A62FC" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:46:34" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 19:46:34" />
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<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bin\vtex.dll" SIZE="352256" CHECKSUM="0xAD04AFEC" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x0" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:32:12" UPTO_LINK_DATE="05/22/2006 20:32:12" />
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</EXE>
<EXE NAME="kernel32.dll" FILTER="GRABMI_FILTER_THISFILEONLY">
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</EXE>
</DATABASE>

ehm... ja... probiers mal mit... neu installieren?

[aefaef]

edit ...

[Wolfie]

naja da gewaltspiele erst ab 18 sind hat sich das automatisch gesperrt....

[VyRuz]

lol
jaja, steam ist schon ne nette plattform.

[Dreister Doc.]

naja da gewaltspiele erst ab 18 sind hat sich das automatisch gesperrt....

Rofl.

Aber zu deinem Problem.... wirfs weg.

[me11ow]

Solche Spiele spielt man ja auch nicht!















Ok, ausnahmsweise: Also HL.exe war früher ein guter Viren-Scanner...sprich wenn hl.exe nen fehler verursachte war immer irgendwas virentechnisches im Busch.... weiterdenken musst selber, helfe ganz bestimmt niemanden wieder cs spielen zu können

[[Martin H]]

hat sich erledigt
...ohne eure "HILFE"

[Dreister Doc.]

Mein Tipp war eh der beste ^^

[Knorkel81]

seit ihr wieder nett

[Dreister Doc.]

Immer doch.

[Marshall]

seit ihr wieder nett

seit wann?

[eLe]

hat sich erledigt
...ohne eure "HILFE"

was warn los?^^

seit ihr wieder nett

seit wann?

http://seitseid.de/
ist aber sowieso hopfen und malz verloren